the mystery around sing the sorrow and clandestine

January 22nd, 2008 by juponkatana07

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the mystery around sing the sorrow and clandestine

i found this while i was surfing the web and thought i would post it and see what you guys think

Sing the Sorrow is a very interesting cd. If you like AFI, and you have Sing the Sorrow, you should read this. Actually, it has lots of things you’ll never know if you don’t read this.

Okay, before this album came out, they released a 10" disk, and called it "336". No one could figure out why, and it was a bit of a secret. All they would really tell us was that when Sing the Sorrow came out, it would all be made clear. Well, they dropped some hints in the meantime. One time while upgrading the messageboard, they left links to astrology, numerology, and the ummm…. I think the chinese zodiac? Another time, a hint was dropped… they said that "336" wasn’t really important.. it was just "what comes before." It came before Sing the Sorrow. Meaning that STS was "337." And we really had to figure out what 337 meant.
Also, there were the rabbits. They had posters and stuff with rabbits on them. And other weird mentions of rabbits. In the liner notes from STS, it says, "Rabbits are roadkill."
So Sing the Sorrow came out, and no one could figure it out. Then their short film, "Clandestine" came out. It had the cd, the dvd short film, and a 60 page little hardcover book, which was like a big colored version of the cd booklet. Thw whole style is of faded, worn pages. The pages are old and stained… brownish stains.. But as you flip through the book, you begin to realize that some of the stains and smudges are actually red. All of the stains are actually blood, and dried blood.
(I haven’t seen the film in a long time, so I might have a few details wrong.) Now, in the film, it starts with Hunter holding a box with the Sing the Sorrow logo on it, running through the forest. He looks at a paper, and keeps running. The paper gets dropped, and you see that it says Room 37 at 3:33. He runs into a classroom full of kids. The board says, "nothing from nowhere." Then you see Adam playing cards. The box is on the table (in the pot), along with a watch, keys, a magnifying glass, a bottle of dark fluid, a white chrysanthemum, and a live rabbit. Adam has 336 in his hand. He wins, takes the box, and goes to leave, but the box falls apart in his hands. You see that two of the guys at the table have actually smuggled away the real box. It flashes to Dave in a cafe. He is writing in a book (the book that comes with Clandestine… it’s like the cd booklet, but better), with the box on the table. A strange woman comes up and kisses him, stealing the box. She leaves, and he goes back to writing. He notices the box is gone, and leaves. It flashes to Jade walking into the classroom, (the board says "I am no one at all." and through another door in the class, which leads him into a house. You see him snooping through the house. Going upstairs, going through drawers, looking behind dressers, etc. He goes into the bathroom, and the tub is filled with a black fluid. He reaches in, and pulls out the box. You see a hand at the door of the bathroom (maybe the hand of the woman from the cafe?), trying to open it. They unlock the door (with the keys from the card table?) Jade jumps into the tub, going down, down into the water. He comes walking out of the water on a beach. He walks across the sand to a small table where all the members sit waiting. He places the box on the table, and they open it. End of film. You never see what is or isn’t inside. Throughout the movie, it flashes the clock, which, for every person’s scene, is on 3:33, and at the very end, I believe it’s 3:37.

Now, I have friends that spent forever figuring this out, and I helped some. They looked up esoteric astrology, chinese astrolgy, and numerolgy, among other things. Clandestine means something secret or hidden. Esoteric also means hidden.
"Miseria Cantare" is Latin for "Sing the Sorrow."
3 x 37 = 111. I’m not positive, but I hear that 777 represents god, or perfection. In Transference, Dave wrote, "I’m 111 less than perfection." 777 - 111 = 666. Dun dun DUUUUNNN. (P.S., NO, they are in no way devil worshippers. Just for your info.) Also, Three denotes divine perfection; Seven denotes spiritual perfection.

In esoteric astrology, 336 represents physical death, and the events leading up to it. There were only 2 songs on the 336 disk. Some of the lyrics of one of the songs say, "We’re all now in dying days…. I gave up fighting. I’ve come to be these halos."

337 represents the act of reincarnation.

This is important: In chinese astrology, Dave is a RABBIT. He was born the year of the rabbit. RABBITS CANNOT BE REINCARNATED. Rabbits are on their last life in this world, and do not have another chance.

In numerology, Dave’s life path number is 3. In some middle eastern philosophy, they say that there are 37 deeds you must do before you can reach nirvana, or peace/heaven, and be done on the wheel of life.
The whole cd goes in a circle. The sounds at the end are backwards. They end in the same beat and same key as the beginning of the cd. It’s one continuous loop. The music before This Time Imperfect is the same played forward as it is played backward.
The front of the album has the symbol of falling leaves. Falling leaves represent death, and returning to the earth. The back of the album has a symbol of water. Water represents rebirth. All of the art for this album has been circles. Another symbol of something repeating, of reincarnation. Also, at the beginning of the film, Hunter is running through the forest (leaves), and at the end, they’re on the beach (water). The black fluid in the bathtub relates to "Bleed Black." The chrysanthemum on the card table relates to "The Great Disappointment." It’s all crazy.

Basically, the whole theme is death and reincarnation, and the fact that he CANNOT reincarnate again.

Look at the song lyrics. Although each song as a whole isn’t about this, there are specific lines that corroborate this theory. Example: "iscarnate." "Nothing from nowhere, I’m no one at all." Discarnate means being bodiless. Like floating in time and space. Essentially, being… nowhere. Nothing.
There are other questions as well, like why are the leaving songs out of order? Well, since the cd is one big circle, we don’t believe that it actually begins with Misera Cantare. At the end of Clandestine, there is breathing. Just like at the beginning of Bleed Black. I believe that the album BEGINS with Bleed Black. That would put the song as beginning after Clandestine. There was a theory that the box at the end was just empty. (I forget why.) Well, the first words are, "I am exploring the inside. I find it desolate."
So, if it starts with Bleed Black, the breathing at the beginning could represent life. (Being born, perhaps?) That would put the song whose lyrics say, "recreate me," and more importantly, "I know I died that night, and I’ll never be brough back to life once again." So, playing that as the first song, and going full circle around the cd, that puts the leaving songs into order, and ends the cd with The Leaving Song Pt II.
Now, some people think that Dave "ies" over the course of this cd. Some say that the "eath" (if there is one) occurs during This Time Imperfect. That would make sense that Miseria Cantare would be the beginning… from nowhere. Bodiless… Then comes The Leaving Song Pt II, whose very first lyrics say, "on’t waste your touch, you won’t feel anything." The spanish in the song says, ""Yo he estado aquí muchas veces antes y regreso" ("I have been here many times before and I return"; "Y regreso aquí otra vez y comenzo" ("So I return here once again and I begin". Like being reborn. The circle of birth and death and rebirth. "I saw its birth. I watched it grow…."
Also the fact that the poem is read as in the 3 stages of life. Like he is aging through it.

So yeah, it’s pretty creepy.

That’s most of it. There are other small things, like, "Rabbits are roadkill," and then there’s the sound of a vehicle accelerating through the rain at the beginning of Silver and Cold. There is also a very small, very blacked out picture of what looks to be a truck or something (maybe the vehicle?) in the book. All sorts of details

intriguing, hey? what do you think?

http://www.buzznet.com/tags/singthesorrow/journals/52417/

pathetic…its like i’m stalking her…

January 10th, 2008 by juponkatana07

Get to know yourself better

Your view on yourself:

Other people find you very interesting, but you are really hiding your true self. Your friends love you because you are a good listener. They’ll probably still love you if you learn to be yourself with them.

The type of girlfriend/boyfriend you are looking for:

You like serious, smart and determined people. You don’t judge a book by its cover, so good-looking people aren’t necessarily your style. This makes you an attractive person in many people’s eyes.

Your readiness to commit to a relationship:

You are ready to commit as soon as you meet the right person. And you believe you will pretty much know as soon as you might that person.

The seriousness of your love:

You like to flirt and behave seductively. The opposite sex finds this very attractive, and that’s why you’ll always have admirers hanging off your arms. But how serious are you about choosing someone to be in a relationship with?

Your views on education

Education is less important than the real world out there, away from the classroom. Deep inside you want to start working, earning money and living on your own.

The right job for you:

You have plenty of dream jobs but have little chance of doing any of them if you don’t focus on something in particular. You need to choose something and go for it to be happy and achieve success.

How do you view success:

You are afraid of failure and scared to have a go at the career you would like to have in case you don’t succeed. Don’t give up when you haven’t yet even started! Be courageous.

What are you most afraid of:

You are afraid of things that you cannot control. Sometimes you show your anger to cover up how you feel.

Who is your true self:

You like privacy very much because you enjoy spending time with your own thoughts. You like to disappear when you cannot find solutions to your own problems, but you would feel better if you learned to share your thoughts with a person you trust.

December 28th, 2007 by juponkatana07
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Schizoid |||||| 30%
Schizotypal |||||||||||||||||||| 82%
Antisocial |||||||||||| 46%
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Histrionic |||||||||||| 50%
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Eccentric Personality Disorders: Paranoid, Schizoid, Schizotypal

Individuals with these disorders often appear odd or peculiar.

Paranoid Personality Disorder - individual generally tends to interpret the actions of others as threatening.

Schizoid Personality Disorder - individual generally detached from social relationships, and shows a narrow range of emotional expression in various social settings.

Schizotypal Personality Disorder - individual is uncomfortable in close relationships, has thought or perceptual distortions, and peculiarities of behavior.

Dramatic Personality Disorders: Antisocial, Borderline, Histrionic, and Narcissistic

Individuals with these disorders have intense, unstable emotions, distorted self-perception, and/or behavioral impulsiveness.

Antisocial Personality Disorder - individual shows a pervasive disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others.

Borderline Personality Disorder - individual shows a generalized pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image, and observable emotions, and significant impulsiveness.

Histrionic Personality Disorder - individual often displays excessive emotionality and attention seeking in various contexts. They tend to overreact to other people, and are often perceived as shallow and self-centered.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder - individual has a grandiose view of themselves, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy that begins by early adulthood and is present in various situations. These individuals are very demanding in their relationships.

Anxious Personality Disorders: Avoidant, Dependent, Obsessive-Compulsive

Individuals with these disorders often appear anxious or fearful.

Avoidant Personality Disorder - individual is socially inhibited, feels inadequate, and is oversensitive to criticism

Dependent Personality Disorder - individual shows an extreme need to be taken care of that leads to fears of separation, and passive and clinging behavior.

Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder - individual is preoccupied with orderliness, perfectionism, and control at the expense of flexibility, openness, and efficiency.

wishlist,,,

December 20th, 2007 by juponkatana07

things i want to recieve as gift..ngaun pasko…isa lng pde na…pero xmpre mas ok pag lahat yan…

1gig rsmmc…more sounds..more porn..more power…

orig headset ung pang 6680..

500pesos worth of LU load…

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vamps….cool!

May 2nd, 2007 by juponkatana07

The blood flowed down upon my shirt and coat, and as he watched it with a narrow gleaming eye. It seemed an eternity that he watched it …. I think that he knew what I meant to do before he even did it, and I was waiting in my helplessness as if Id been waiting for years. He pressed his bleeding wrist to my mouth, said firmly, a little impatiently, `Louis, drink.` And I did.` —Louis in Interview With The Vampire by Anne Rice

whoah! she’s hot!

November 6th, 2006 by juponkatana07

nagssurf lng ako tas bglang nkita ko pic nya…wooooot!~ metal goddess… love ko na xa~! cristina scabbia of lacuna coil…stig.!

your new bestfriends..your confidence

September 1st, 2006 by juponkatana07

she dont want me anyomore..so why should i stay…

Same old songs on a brand new stereo

August 20th, 2006 by juponkatana07

I was feeling fine,
You’ll be coming clean tonight,
And I’ll be falling down with you once again,
Call me your valentine call me once tonight,
And I will have said it’s okay,

The things you said, I’m rehearsing them,
(The things you said, The things you said)
The things you said, I’m rehearsing them,

They went back on us,
(Until his eyes rolled back couldn’t step it up),
I could know when to come on to it,
It’s the thought that emerges,
(Take back couldn’t step it up),
I could never love the ion change,

Bury your head, and the child smashed you down,
And the psalms will soon recall me again,
(Fall down below),
I’ll sleep tonight when you’re okay,
And I haven’t said it’s okay,

The things you said, I’m rehearsing them,
The things you said, I’m rehearsing them,

They went back on us,
(Until his eyes rolled back couldn’t step it up),
I could know when to come on to it,
It’s the thought that emerges,
(Take back couldn’t step it up),
I could never love the ion change.

They have been the ones who’ve seen enough,
This is what you call love,

They stole my lies,
Sold right and all,
They wandered around and round my mouth,
They stole my lie,
Sold right and all,
(Stole it all, Stole it all),
They have been the ones who’ve seen enough,

They went back on us,
(Until his eyes rolled back couldn’t step it up),
I could know when to come on to it,
It’s the thought that emerges,
(Take back couldn’t step it up),
I could never love the ion change,

aww….july 31..

July 31st, 2006 by juponkatana07

ala n kame

the best things in life…

November 8th, 2005 by juponkatana07

tangina..best things in life are..things i dont have…. things i cant have…. and it makes me feel soooooooooooo fckd up..bkt lging ako un dpat mwlan… too bad im so weak i cnt move on…umaasa akong bblik sila skin…tanginaaaaa!! sobrang badtrip…..